American Gun Laws Are Often Debated

Johnny 06/13/2016,

A lot of people outside of USA don't fully understand it myself being one but if some guys inside Pulse had been carrying a gun even if it was just management, security, staff etc. maybe many lives could have been saved. R I P Sisters and Brothers.

10 thoughts on “American Gun Laws Are Often Debated

  • Luke ,

    I get both sides of the argument and while I try to be neutral (unless someone tries to say shit about Australia being worse off) there is the point to be made that there was a police officer there that DID shoot back just after it had started. He didn't manage to get the guy, who retreated into the club. Also, wouldn't guns in a club be dangerous, even with the saftey on? Like couldn't an acidental shooting happen too easily if you're a) intoxicated b) jumping around and dancing. That's not to mention the mood killer aspect, if you were in the club with a gun NO ONE would take you home 😛

    Proper respects for everyone that died or was injured though, I just don't think more guns would have solved this one at all.

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    • Johnny ,

      Lol yeh I wouldn't go home with a guy carrying a gun I would also be worried about carrying one in a club. I have visions of it accidently going off when I'm dancing and my nuts get blown away. 🙂 I wouldn't even carry one in the streets for the same reason. 🙂

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      • Zack ,

        Having a gun doesn't make someone bad. Who's to say that as soon as you go home with someone they won't have a gun right by the door? Introducing a gun into a club situation is no doubt a bad idea and I would question the intelligence of any person who does so (except for law enforcement of course)

        This shooting wasn't that though this was somebody went to the club with the intention of shooting as many people as he could as fast as he could.

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        • Johnny ,

          Nobody's saying they're bad but still I wouldn't go home with a guy carrying a gun. You're used to them I'm not.It's not a bad idea to introduce guns into USA clubs if it gives people a chance to live or for self defence. Guns come into every way of life in USA the postman could be toting one when he's delivering your mail so there's definitely no way or reason why guns shouldn't be available behind the bar in a club. I've already said things could be a bit crazy if clubbers carry them drunken fights happen in clubs and having a gun in that situation couild be dangerous. There is defdinitely a chance that lives could have been saved if there were a couple guns behind the bar in Pulse and note I said chance. As for law enforcement it's becoming more and more clear that they fukked up in this disaster. There's also the fact that you can't always trust a cop in USA with a gun. Go ask the families of the many guys that have been killed by them when they should still be alive now. We've had Paris and now Orlando and it's possible there's more to come. How many people do you want to see killed because you think guns in clubs is a crazy idea? ISIS always say they hate the decadence of the West and clubbing etc. is in that category whether gay or straight. OK this guy wasn't full on ISIS but he was definitely inspired by them. With his record he shouldn't have been allowed on the streets and definitely shouldn't have been allowed to have bought guns last week. I haven't heard much more about the guy in LA seems like there's a silence is in force with him and yes I know he was white but he was definitely a crazy. Face it there are crazies all over the world that want to kill us and people need tools to defend themselves and others no way can you depend on governments.

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        • Johnny ,

          P.S. About good guys/bad guys with guns. America is a gun society so yeh a person with a gun in USA isn't always a bad guy. I live in UK and like most of the remainder of the world we are a gun free society so having a gun would definitely put you in the bad guy category with the usual exceptions. If you have a gun and try bringing it to UK you'd find yourself with big problems.

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  • Pete ,

    Johnny, I feel your frustration. Right now the Republicans take a vow to NEVER raise taxes. Maybe it would help if ALL parties would vow to NEVER accept donations from the NRA. Then common sense gun laws could be enacted to prevent these atrocities.

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    • Johnny ,

      Yeh it is frustrating Pete and I agree about the NRA. Again though this creep was known by the cops for a couple years but he was still able to buy those guns last week. Then there’s his father who seems to hate the Western way of life but he’s allowed to have a radio station broadcasting from California and is in touch with the White House. I would sent them back to Afghanistan fast.

      Quite a bit was said yesterday about the second amendment a lot of people were saying that should be reviewed. I dunno, the real frustration is that there seems to be no way to stop this stuff happening anywhere in the world. I kept thinking yesterday about a similar thing happening in a club we were in. Yuk.

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  • Johnny ,

    It’s a thought TB not a statement. We’ve gone through that stuff when Juan was witch hunted and bullied by people old enough to know better because he casually mentioned his gun the same with Joey and his hunting. The fact is guns are a way of life in USA and it’s not gonna change it goes back to when American citizens were required to have guns to fight we Brits. That and the fact that arms whether military or domestic alongside oil are America’s biggest moneymakers. Even if there was a ban today there are 350million guns in circulation, more than the population, so self-defence isn’t such a bad option or weird mentality especially with the freaks around now and I’m not just talking mass shootings. I don’t think for a minute even a small percentage of the guns in circulation would be turned in if there was a ban.

    Yeh I admit clubbers with guns would be a bit weird but staff whether management, security, bar staff whatever don’t usually drink when they’re working a few guns under the counter should be fine. A corner shop in America often has a gun so why not a club? This creep had a fast shooter but he couldn’t be looking every direction eyesight doesn’t work like that. Just maybe he could have been taken out without such a big a loss of life and all the other injuries. I’ve just decided that if I had a club in America that’s exactly what I would do. I would be going to another country so would have to accept their ways of life it’s not for me to tell other countries what to do or not do. I would have to be selective with staff but a few hunky marine types would be fine for everybody. If you visit you can have a personal bodyguard and I’ll make sure the barman doesn’t pull a gun on you cos you said he was too slow serving you. 🙂

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    • Akoplay ,

      Having a gun and knowing how to use it on dummies, doesn't mean you know how to use it in life-threatening situations. You're afraid for your life, afraid of the idea of actually killing someone (even a mass-murderer), there are other people that you could touch with a bullet.

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      • Johnny ,

        Yeh you’re right Ako but it’s alright for you or I to think that way because we live in gun free countries. I can remember the 1st time I saw a cop with a gun when I was a kid I nearly crapped myself. It was when we lived in Dorset and they had the annual week long tory conference which happened to be in Bournemouth that year, there were armed police everywhere. In USA kids are brought up with guns and young kids are fearless. When my Grandfathers were kids almost every boy in the country had a toy cowboy gun and holster but they were toys, pretty neat and realistic apparently. Well Roy Rogers neat with all the sparkly bits. 

        If I was faced with some jerk with a gun and I had one I think I would freeze from pulling the trigger because I know I would be killing a person. If I did eventually decide to pull the trigger it would probs be too late cos he would have got me. In reality though it could be different who knows , I don’t particularly want to find out. I do think though that if I was in the club behind the bar and the weirdo didn’t see me crouched down and there was a gun handy I’d have a go. Like wait till he had his back to me and open fire. His 50 shots a minute wouldn’t have saved him then whereas if he was facing me he would have got me. Hah I’m going into kid mode. Wtv like I said we can think what we think now but in a real situation things could be completely different.

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